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by Katische Haberfield 

The Afterlife Interview with George Esmond Haggie

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March 13, 2023 in 

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Katische and Megan chat to the healed version of George Esmond Haggie, a soldier who died at war yet didn’t go to the light. George was one of Katische’s very first ghosts/ earthbound spirits that she crossed over remotely.

Transcript
Katische:

Welcome back to

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the Infinite Life Podcast.

Katische:

This week we are going to get another

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session with Megan Jones and we

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are going to see who comes through.

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This session for me is particularly

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interesting because it looks at war,

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and the effects of war on human beings.

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So no matter what you feel about war, it's

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great to be open-minded about what can

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happen to human beings who die in war and.

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You're a fright as you

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would at the time of death.

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It also helps us have compassion, I

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believe, for soldiers of all kinds and

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of all nationalities, irrespective of

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which side of the battle they were on.

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It helps us understand a little bit of

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the trauma of those who have returned.

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Alive from war and have to try

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and resume their normal life.

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I think it explains why some soldiers feel

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haunted and guilty that they survived, and

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I think it provides us also insight with.

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The potential to examine, do

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soldiers bring back the ghosts

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of others on their shoulders?

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It's a question worth pondering.

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Anyway, it's an interesting session today.

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It's not meant to be somber, but it's, you

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may feel a little emotional when you hear

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George Hemond Haggy tell us his story.

Katische:

Thank you for listening.

Katische:

Namaste.

Katische:

I've been doing a lot of crossing over

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spirits, like a lot massive amounts.

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Basically Harry just sends me to locations

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now all the time and that's awesome.

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And he also brings them

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here when it's urgent.

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And here from all around the world

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and like I had one here from 13

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42, 2, or something like that.

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I have a number of questions to ask

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any spirit guide that wants to come

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in to help me with the technicalities.

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I have questions about my house and how

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I'm trying to understand the logistics

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of how the this is what's happening

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with the crossing over is happening.

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I have a whole list of questions,

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but we've got nine sessions but the

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priority for me is the spirits that I've

Katische:

crossed over, over personal message.

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I'm pretty sure dad was come in today

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because there are a few signs, but my

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priority for these sessions is to, get

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the messages from the people that I've

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crossed over, whether they be in my

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house in a cemetery, in a pub or wherever

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I've done the crossing over to learn any

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guidance that any of the spirits or the

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being angels or the spirits wish to tell

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me about what they're trying to teach me.

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And yeah, so really structured

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in terms of the spirits that come

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through that I have crossed over.

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I'm really wanting to know.

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Where I cross them over so that I

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can, cuz what I have now is like a

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folder that I basically go through

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and have all the evidence about each

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one who crossed over what the time is.

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I take all the photographs and everything

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and I write down my notes about what they

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said to me, the time of crossing over.

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But basically I wanting to identify who

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they were where they were at the time

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of crossing 'em over and then anything

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that's important about their story.

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That's not knowing, not knowable

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based on the gravestone or something

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that I could publicly research.

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Also there seems to be, there seems to

Katische:

have been a rush of spirits coming here.

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And I had a pretty hard boundary, but no

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spirits in the house unless it was urgent.

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So I'm wanting to understand over

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these nine sessions if there's

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some kind of portal in the house.

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And what I'm doing Maggie, is that on

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the phone, there's some interesting

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paranormal apps that I've been

Katische:

learning to use that record the audio.

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Cause I'm gonna bit frustrated with

Katische:

the audio and the zoom in terms of

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catching spirits on zoom, in terms

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of understanding what I wanna say.

Katische:

It's always only just to back up what

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I'm hearing myself but there's a,

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when I'm capturing them and I haven't

Katische:

gone through and reviewed them on the

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app, but there's a lot of German and

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European spirits that I'm hearing.

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And so what I'm wanting to know is if

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any of these spirits come through to

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you that are happy to talk, are they to

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do with the soldiers across the road?

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Were they attached to those soldiers?

Katische:

Is that how we're getting

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all the Europeans here?

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I can hear a lot of Germans if any

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of them have any understanding or

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insights about the technical side

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of things that's all good too.

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So I'm open to as weird and wonderful

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as they wanna bend my mind and open

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my mind to the really understanding

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what spirits can and can't do when

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they're in the non crossed overstate

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in terms of my understanding of

Katische:

their ability to move around.

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Cuz my understanding Maggie is that

Katische:

they, stay where they're either

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at the grave or the location where

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they're attached emotionally to right.

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That they can't just go

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whizzing around the world.

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They're in this fog.

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But I wanna understand how there's

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ones here, how they come here is it

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because Harry's bringing them in?

Katische:

Is it because they across the road with a

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hospital and all the diggers, the return

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soldiers, or is there a portal here?

Katische:

Anything that any of them can share or

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light on and educate us about spirits?

Katische:

Because I know it helps you as well.

Katische:

Yeah, absolutely.

Katische:

It would be fascinating.

Katische:

Fascinating to me.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

Okay.

Katische:

Yeah.

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So yeah I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna shy

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away and say no to any personal messages,

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but yeah, the focus is really, I'm

Katische:

really being pushed to to do the writing.

Maggie:

Yeah.

Maggie:

Yeah.

Maggie:

I'll say when I was clearing my mind and

Maggie:

meditating a little bit before I jumped

Maggie:

on and I instantly, and again, this is

Maggie:

not a surprise to me, but I instantly

Maggie:

could felt arch angel, Michael, and I

Maggie:

know that you work a lot with him, so

Maggie:

that wasn't surprising to me, but I did

Maggie:

feel like he particularly made himself

Maggie:

known to me because this work that you're

Maggie:

doing today is part of your purpose.

Maggie:

And I did get the feeling.

Maggie:

That maybe not today, but previously

Maggie:

your work has been more scattered

Maggie:

and more loose in different areas.

Maggie:

And so I feel like he specifically

Maggie:

came through and wanted us to know that

Maggie:

this is what you should be working on.

Katische:

That, yeah, it's

Katische:

just different because and I'm

Katische:

really comfortable with that.

Katische:

I really enjoy working with the spirits

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and the dead, so to speak but it's

Katische:

this whole new mind shift on because I

Katische:

see this as in the zone, in the flow.

Katische:

I, like it.

Katische:

But it's that whole What happens to

Katische:

my clients and how do I transition?

Katische:

Like you don't make money off

Katische:

this is spiritual service.

Katische:

You know what I mean?

Katische:

So it's that.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

I get that.

Katische:

I get that really strongly.

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And I get that's why I'm being pushed

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in this, direction, but it's yeah, might

Katische:

take my little human mind a while to

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fully trust myself, like I do trust,

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but it's also that a bit out there.

Katische:

yeah.

Maggie:

And I think that you have a very

Maggie:

unique skill and you have a very unique

Maggie:

way of piecing different things together.

Maggie:

Whereas there's a lot of teachers

Maggie:

out there that would maybe.

Maggie:

Only want to do a certain

Maggie:

part of this work.

Maggie:

Whereas I feel like you actually

Maggie:

get out there and you do what

Maggie:

you're saying, you're doing, you

Maggie:

teach what you're talking about.

Maggie:

You're connecting to these

Maggie:

spirits firsthand, and then you're

Maggie:

taking what you're learning.

Maggie:

You're taking that knowledge and that

Maggie:

information, and you're sitting with it.

Maggie:

You are unfolding it, you are

Maggie:

talking to your guides about it.

Maggie:

You're asking for clarity on it.

Maggie:

You're bringing other people

Maggie:

in to get other people's points

Maggie:

of view and other perspectives.

Maggie:

And then you're putting that out there

Maggie:

in modalities that is teachable to

Maggie:

other people, whether it's through

Maggie:

your podcast or through writing.

Maggie:

And I think that's what makes this

Maggie:

work very unique from other spiritual

Maggie:

teachers that do things similar.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

And that's the thing is I'm

Katische:

trying to, I am trying to learn.

Katische:

Trying to learn from the paranormal

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community, because I have such a strong

Katische:

reaction negatively towards ghost hunting.

Katische:

But say for example one of the things

Katische:

that's happened now is a watcher and this

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will be a really big, this particular one

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spirit that I really hope comes through.

Katische:

So I was, I invited to do a paranormal

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podcast and I was like, oh, pretty

Katische:

strong feelings on paranormal stuff.

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Let me listen to your podcast

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and then I'll agree afterwards.

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And I started listening to the podcast

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and I thought, you know what, no,

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I just, my message is important.

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I'll go on anyway.

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Even it offends every single

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person that listens to that

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podcast I'm meant to go on it.

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So I started listening to an episode so I

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could just get a feel of the guy and he's

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a lovely guy and he had a ghost hunter on

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and I only listened to half an hour of the

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session only cuz that was all the amount

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of time I could allocated that moment.

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Not cause I didn't like the episode.

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I was fascinated by the episode and I

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went and found the person's website and

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Like half an hour later, the person that

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they were talking about that this ghost

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hunter had written the whole book on, came

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in the room and I'm like, you're joking.

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And I was like, that's pretty fast.

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And why, did we allow them

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to come into the room?

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This is not a child, Harry . I thought we

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were just doing children that were urgent.

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Why is this one?

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And I felt like there's also some

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new connection now to where I see

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particularly known growth hunters

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or whatever, talking about people.

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It's as soon as I have this thought

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string now, and that spirit seems

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to know that I have the real

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human will to cross them over.

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They have the human will

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decision that they wanna go.

Katische:

Now that the time and space collapses

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in the heat, which is a new thing for

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me yeah, so yeah, anytime Angela, like

Katische:

I got to the point, I was like how come

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your angels just don't cross them over?

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And then I remembered and realized

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angels can't interfere with human will.

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So if you die and you don't wanna

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cross over the angels, won't interfere.

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And if you decide not to cross over

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the angels, can't interview fear with

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you wanting to cross over, they've

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gotta connect you with a human being.

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Who's able to do that, or

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you've gotta do it yourself.

Katische:

So yeah, I'm still learning in terms

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of who brings them to me, how they

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understand that suddenly I know

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that they are there is it gonna

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be from now on fast as every time?

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I read a book or see something where

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I know there's a location within,

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with somebody who hasn't crossed over,

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is it gonna be I'm curious to know.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

Cause I've gotta retrain

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my nervous system as well.

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Cause there's that little

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bit of that as well.

Maggie:

Yeah, I'll say I'm on the same

Maggie:

page with you when it comes to my own

Maggie:

personal experiences that I've had of

Maggie:

late as well, where in the past, I feel

Maggie:

like we've always thought that spirits

Maggie:

were contained to one area, but I've

Maggie:

ha I also have had spirits come to me

Maggie:

because they know that I can help them.

Maggie:

Yeah.

Maggie:

And so I feel like that is maybe

Maggie:

information that has either changed, but

Maggie:

I'm more feeling like it was just never

Maggie:

accurate information that we just assumed

Maggie:

that spirits could not move around.

Maggie:

And I think that a lot of times

Maggie:

that's the case, but it's not because

Maggie:

they can't, it's more so because

Maggie:

they're not able to within the

Maggie:

certain conditions that they are in.

Maggie:

But I think that once

Maggie:

they make a decision.

Maggie:

Whether that decision is, Hey, I'm

Maggie:

going to attach to this person I'm

Maggie:

going to attach to this object,

Maggie:

or I want help to cross over.

Maggie:

I think once they make that

Maggie:

decision, they're able to do that.

Maggie:

That's what I've been experiencing lately.

Maggie:

So hopefully that gives you some

Maggie:

insight onto why they're coming through.

Maggie:

I don't feel like there's a portal

Maggie:

or anything like that around you.

Maggie:

I do feel like they're drawn to you

Maggie:

specifically because you have the

Maggie:

intention to cross over spirits.

Maggie:

Now, if they're coming to much,

Maggie:

if they're coming in at times that

Maggie:

you're uncomfortable with you would

Maggie:

need, to reestablish those boundaries

Maggie:

and ask your spirit team to come

Maggie:

in and set those parameters for.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

And that's what I do.

Katische:

It's only when I'm at home during the

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day if any guests are here, no had

Katische:

no weekends hard, no weekdays it was

Katische:

just like this morning at 5:00 AM.

Katische:

I went outside and it's and you

Katische:

can hear them say down, down Yep.

Maggie:

Yep.

Maggie:

And sometimes the spirits will still

Maggie:

push our boundaries, especially if it's

Maggie:

a spirit, that's desperate, a spirit

Maggie:

that is still really needing help.

Maggie:

But you should just reaffirm

Maggie:

those and say, no, not right now.

Maggie:

You can come back to me

Maggie:

during the set times.

Maggie:

And I've actually had to,

Maggie:

do that lately as well.

Maggie:

I had a, friend of mine who came into

Maggie:

the shop and said that there was a spirit

Maggie:

that had passed away behind her house.

Maggie:

He kept coming in help me.

Maggie:

And she's I don't know how to help you.

Maggie:

I don't know what to do.

Maggie:

And so I told her, I said, I will

Maggie:

fill in and let him, I said, you

Maggie:

let him know that I will help him.

Maggie:

And I will reach out and fill in.

Maggie:

And sure enough, within a couple

Maggie:

days he came to me and I was able

Maggie:

to connect to him from my house.

Maggie:

I never had to go to her house or

Maggie:

anything like that, which I wasn't

Maggie:

sure if I would have to I, went ahead

Maggie:

and told her I would if I needed to.

Maggie:

But I was able to cross

Maggie:

him over from my home.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

I, understand it as remote viewing

Katische:

where you are seeing them in

Katische:

that location where they are.

Katische:

And I have done that before with the

Katische:

diggers in France, I've remote, viewed the

Katische:

cemetery in France and they crossed over,

Katische:

but it was just usually only client based.

Katische:

Session based spirits would come in, but

Katische:

now it's I'm not even remote viewing that.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

They're just coming here from wherever,

Katische:

any time any, location around the world?

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

So it was just, it's just this

Katische:

huge change in the activity.

Maggie:

And I feel like that, like

Maggie:

I said, I feel like that has a lot

Maggie:

to do with your intention and your

Maggie:

ability to help these spirits.

Maggie:

And it's like, when they make that same

Maggie:

intention and they have that same ability

Maggie:

to where they're needing your help and

Maggie:

they're wanting your help and then their

Maggie:

spirit can energetically meet with yours.

Maggie:

And there's not any extra steps that's

Maggie:

needed because the intentions match.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

And it's mental celebrity, right?

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

Cool.

Katische:

All right.

Katische:

I think that's all I had to say.

Maggie:

all right.

Maggie:

So I'll just fill in and, see if there's

Maggie:

anybody that's wanting to come through.

Maggie:

Thank you.

Maggie:

Okay.

Maggie:

The name George came to me.

Maggie:

I am feeling like this was

Maggie:

maybe a graveside connection,

Maggie:

cuz I keep seeing a graveyard.

Katische:

Okay.

Katische:

Yep.

Maggie:

I am feeling like

Maggie:

this may be a soldier.

Maggie:

Okay.

Maggie:

So is this someone

Katische:

I've just turned over the

Katische:

page, whether there's a George who?

Katische:

Soldier?

Katische:

Yep.

Maggie:

Okay.

Maggie:

Okay,

Katische:

great.

Katische:

He would be one of my

Katische:

very first, last year.

Katische:

Okay.

Katische:

So

Maggie:

We're we'll connect with him.

Maggie:

And, do you do you want any

Maggie:

other validation from me or do

Maggie:

you wanna ask him questions now?

Katische:

No, I would just

Katische:

wanna leave it to you.

Katische:

Okay.

Katische:

You knew the brief outline and the kind of

Katische:

stuff just let's see what he has to say.

Maggie:

All right.

Maggie:

So I'm feeling like he's making me feel

Maggie:

like when he was ready to cross that

Maggie:

he, he knew that you could help him.

Maggie:

He knew that you, were willing

Maggie:

to, help him in this situation.

Maggie:

And he was ready.

Maggie:

He's making me feel like

Maggie:

that's what he wanted.

Maggie:

There was there wasn't any any kind

Maggie:

of force that was really needed.

Maggie:

This is how he's making me feel

Maggie:

is that he truly was ready.

Maggie:

The number 18 keeps coming up for me.

Maggie:

Don't know if this is the year anything,

Maggie:

but that number does keep coming.

Maggie:

I'm feeling some heaviness back here.

Maggie:

And that's when I'm asking about

Maggie:

cause of death so there is some

Maggie:

sensation in the back of my head.

Maggie:

There's also some sensation

Maggie:

in my chest as well.

Maggie:

He keeps bringing up a dog.

Maggie:

It seems like it's a small dog.

Maggie:

He doesn't feel very old.

Maggie:

He feels quite young.

Maggie:

Yeah.

Maggie:

Yeah.

Maggie:

He's making me feel like

Maggie:

he, he just wasn't ready.

Maggie:

At the time of his death that he did

Maggie:

not feel like he had he had completed.

Maggie:

His life.

Maggie:

And I do feel like that was

Maggie:

probably because of his age.

Maggie:

He does.

Maggie:

He doesn't feel old

Maggie:

to me.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

Is he is he George from Belgium?

Katische:

Do you get a yes or a no for that?

Maggie:

He feels like a yes.

Maggie:

Yeah.

Maggie:

Okay.

Maggie:

It just, it feels like he didn't

Maggie:

it almost feels he he didn't

Maggie:

really want to join the services.

Maggie:

He didn't want to okay.

Maggie:

To be a soldier, but it almost felt

Maggie:

like he was, he felt obligated.

Maggie:

And so he was excited to have it over

Maggie:

done with come back home and live life.

Maggie:

And he felt like that was taken from

Maggie:

him cuz he never got to make it back.

Maggie:

Is how I'm feeling.

Maggie:

He is making me feel a lot of a

Maggie:

lot of heaviness, a lot of grief.

Maggie:

Just a feeling of, being homesick.

Maggie:

That's really all he's bringing through to

Maggie:

me.

Katische:

Does he have any message that

Katische:

he'd like to impart about his experience?

Katische:

Between dying and me crossing him over

Katische:

does he have any insight into what

Katische:

happened for him in that waiting time?

Maggie:

He's making he's, saying

Maggie:

it felt like a being in a dream

Maggie:

is how he's describing it.

Maggie:

It's it's it, feels the same way

Maggie:

you feel in a dream where part of

Maggie:

you normally knows that it's not,

Maggie:

it feels like it's not real, but you

Maggie:

also can't control what's going on.

Maggie:

And he said, that's how he felt is

Maggie:

that he didn't have control of what

Maggie:

he wanted and what he wanted to do.

Maggie:

It felt like he was in a

Maggie:

dream and never ending dream.

Maggie:

He also said that he had

Maggie:

a lot of fear with him.

Maggie:

As far as when he would encounter

Maggie:

other people, it was he would just

Maggie:

be overcome with this immense fear

Maggie:

that would make him want to run

Maggie:

from them and, get away from them.

Maggie:

And he's saying he feels like he carried

Maggie:

that over because he was scared in death.

Maggie:

There was a lot of fear surrounding or

Maggie:

surrounding him when he was dying and

Maggie:

it's it's like that came with him and

Maggie:

would project into everything else.

Maggie:

And basically like an, a never

Maggie:

ending like an ever ending nightmare

Maggie:

is what he's making me feel like.

Maggie:

And he is, he's making me feel

Maggie:

confused there's, just things that,

Maggie:

that just don't make sense when

Maggie:

you're in that dreamlike state.

Maggie:

And he couldn't make sense of

Maggie:

what was real and what wasn't.

Maggie:

And he's just making me feel like he

Maggie:

just lost himself is how it feels.

Katische:

And does he have any insight

Katische:

for us now that he has crossed over?

Katische:

Does he know what his has?

Katische:

Is he willing to share the purpose

Katische:

of that lifetime or any insights

Katische:

about what's next for him?

Katische:

He is saying that he's saying that like,

Katische:

when you encountered him, instead of

Katische:

him normally like feeling that fear and

Katische:

that, that confusion he said that it's

Katische:

it was like, you were a light for him.

Katische:

And he felt drawn to you and he

Katische:

didn't feel that fear because it's

Katische:

like he had this inner knowing

Katische:

that you could help that go away.

Katische:

And so even though most of the time

Katische:

he had all of this confusion and this

Katische:

fear, it would be, it was different.

Katische:

And he's making me feel like that's normal

Katische:

for people who do this kind of work.

Katische:

And that's why they can find us because

Katische:

we are like a beacon and they're drawn to

Katische:

us because if they're willing and they're

Katische:

ready they'll, draw, they'll come to us.

Katische:

And so that's how he's describing that

Katische:

is you were like a light and it's like

Katische:

it's, everything's cloudy and Misty.

Katische:

And like you're a light that he can, see.

Katische:

He's saying that his purpose

Katische:

was to be earthbound.

Katische:

Oh, okay.

Katische:

Interesting.

Katische:

Yeah, he's saying that that was part

Katische:

of his experience and he needed to

Katische:

experience overcoming fear in death and

Katische:

overcoming the separation of the soul.

Katische:

His soul needed to

Katische:

experience that part of it.

Katische:

And also interesting.

Katische:

Yeah, I've never heard a

Katische:

spirit tell me that before.

Katische:

I've heard other people say that, but I've

Katische:

never heard, had a spirit tell me that.

Katische:

That's very cool.

Katische:

He's also saying like his, another

Katische:

another life purpose for him was

Katische:

learning that, how was he saying.

Katische:

He's bringing it back up that, homesick

Katische:

feeling that he was giving me and

Katische:

he's saying that it was, he needed to

Katische:

learn that being connected to himself

Katische:

is what his home, not truly being

Katische:

alive and being in a physical body.

Katische:

And that when he became separated

Katische:

from his soul when he was, split,

Katische:

that he stayed homesick the same way.

Katische:

He felt homesick when he

Katische:

had to become a soldier.

Katische:

And so he's saying that homesick feeling

Katische:

was a big lesson that he had to learn.

Katische:

And he even had to learn it by when

Katische:

he became detached and he became

Katische:

earthbound and he had to learn that

Katische:

reconnecting to his soul and to his

Katische:

spirit is what the true feeling of

Katische:

home is and not where you're at.

Katische:

Or anything like that.

Katische:

So he's saying that is also part

Katische:

of what he was meant to learn.

Katische:

Okay.

Katische:

Wow.

Katische:

Great.

Maggie:

He's also just saying he needed

Maggie:

to experience different like different

Maggie:

polarities and different angles.

Maggie:

And part of this angle was dying at a

Maggie:

young age versus dying at an old age.

Maggie:

That was just a different angle

Maggie:

that he needed to experience.

Maggie:

And he's saying that the crossing over

Maggie:

aspect for him was like returning home.

Maggie:

It felt like being reconnected with

Maggie:

everything that is important to you just

Maggie:

being accepted and loved and everything

Maggie:

that he had been craving, everything

Maggie:

that he thought he lost, it felt like

Maggie:

all of that just rushed back to him.

Katische:

Okay.

Maggie:

He's making me feel like when

Maggie:

you crossed him over, it was like.

Maggie:

It was a very desperate moment for him.

Maggie:

Like he felt like he was never going

Maggie:

to be happy and be fulfilled again.

Maggie:

He was always gonna have that

Maggie:

just hollow, homesick feeling.

Maggie:

And so he was it was very,

Maggie:

difficult and very, hard and very

Maggie:

confusing and very rough for him.

Maggie:

So he is making me feel like it

Maggie:

was it, he was definitely ready.

Maggie:

It was everything that he wanted

Maggie:

and that he couldn't be more

Maggie:

happy and gracious for your help.

Maggie:

And now he's just making me feel

Maggie:

happy and, loved and confirming

Maggie:

that he just feels yeah, that

Maggie:

he just feels re reconnected

Maggie:

with his soul and with himself.

Maggie:

Did you wanna ask him anything?

Katische:

No.

Katische:

Unless he has a final message.

Maggie:

Nope.

Maggie:

Just thank you.

Maggie:

He just says thank you.

Katische:

You're welcome.

Katische:

Thank you.

Maggie:

So how did that go

Maggie:

with what you had about him?

Katische:

I didn't have anything about him

Katische:

because at the time I just had this list.

Katische:

Oh this was, oh God, maybe I didn't

Katische:

date it, unfortunately, but this is

Katische:

like August or September last year.

Katische:

And this is when white Wolf came in.

Katische:

Who's my animal spirit guide.

Katische:

And he told me that, I had

Katische:

to go find the soldiers.

Katische:

I'm

Maggie:

like, that is really weird.

Maggie:

I will show you this before

Maggie:

I connected with you.

Maggie:

I, don't know if you can see it.

Maggie:

I wrote down Wolf.

Maggie:

Do you see that?

Katische:

Yep.

Katische:

Yep.

Katische:

Yep.

Katische:

Wolf and boys.

Katische:

Yes.

Katische:

Yes.

Katische:

So things were the boys that

Katische:

the Wolf asked me to go fine.

Maggie:

I didn't know why it came through.

Maggie:

I was just like, if I was like,

Maggie:

I'll write it down and if it

Maggie:

comes up in our conversation,

Maggie:

but so yeah, that's really weird.

Maggie:

cause I didn't know I was

Maggie:

gonna connect with him.

Maggie:

I just I, said that I wanted my intention

Maggie:

to match your intention and that we would

Maggie:

connect to whoever needed to come through.

Maggie:

And then I wrote down Wolf and voice.

Maggie:

Yeah, that's really good.

Maggie:

Weird

Katische:

there's well,

Katische:

there's, , there's 12 of them.

Katische:

That one when then was George Mond

Katische:

Hak and his memorials at Belgium.

Katische:

And I was directed to the

Katische:

the war graves website.

Katische:

And I literally had to go through,

Katische:

I can't remember what it was.

Katische:

I think I might've got done with my

Katische:

pendulum something, and then I sat

Katische:

there and we went through this list

Katische:

it's a huge website with all the

Katische:

soldiers and we went through the records

Katische:

one by one it's from crossing over.

Katische:

Yes, no, this one.

Katische:

Yes.

Katische:

No, yes.

Katische:

and we got 12, but there you go.

Katische:

So yeah, that's a remote.

Katische:

That was a remote crossing over

Katische:

yeah, one of my first, so he would've

Katische:

been I'm not sure whether he was

Katische:

Bo war or world war I, but yeah, it

Katische:

was the war memorials grave site.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

And see there's, some connection because

Katische:

I purchased a house directly opposite

Katische:

the return servicemen and leagues section

Katische:

of the hospital, which rehabilitates

Katische:

return veterans so it's like really?

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

There's a strong, there's a strong

Katische:

military link there somewhere.

Katische:

So that's the, I find that fascinating.

Katische:

Considering I don't have any

Katische:

family history with the military.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

I feel like that's for a reason

Katische:

though I feel like you'll, come to,

Katische:

what that means for you, for sure.

Katische:

Yeah, for sure.

Katische:

Yep.

Katische:

Absolutely.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

And that is the end of this episode.

Katische:

I'd like to thank you for listening

Katische:

and I'll let you know that I've done a

Katische:

lot of research on George Esmond Haggy

Katische:

and read his letters from war back to

Katische:

his family found photos, and I'm hoping

Katische:

to include them in a book that I will

Katische:

be writing at the end of this season

Katische:

so that you can put the face to the.

Katische:

So to keep in the loop, head to my

Katische:

website, kish.com and subscribe to

Katische:

my newsletter so that you can be

Katische:

told when that book is released.

Katische:

Also interesting insights is that I have

Katische:

understood, some of the links between

Katische:

George and other people that we have

Katische:

interviewed in this season of the podcast,

Katische:

which I'll reveal in the book as well.

Katische:

and I wanted to just remind you that

Katische:

if you feel as though you may have

Katische:

an attached spirit, an earthbound

Katische:

spirit, then it's in the best and

Katische:

highest interest of your soul and

Katische:

their soul to cross them over.

Katische:

You can head to my website and book

Katische:

a collection of sessions so that

Katische:

we can remove these attachments.

Katische:

It's known as Spirit Releasement therapy,

Katische:

and there's nothing frightening about it.

Katische:

But it's very, very important to

Katische:

release these souls to the light.

Katische:

So important that we'll be doing

Katische:

a whole season coming up soon on

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