The afterlife of Ivy : the child ghost

Welcome back

to the Infinite Life Podcast.

This week we are going to be with

Megan again as we communicate with.

Two female spirits who have crossed

over after I crossed them, and

then Harry comes in at the end

to round it up with some lessons.

Now, I will let you know that

the main part of this session is

talking with one female spirit.

She's come in with another female spirit,

and the second Spirit doesn't wish to

talk because they have a very similar.

Mm.

Cause of death.

Very similar, kind of a kind of a history,

and they are actually tied to each other

in terms of there are some commonalities.

These are both spirits that I crossed

over in Brisbane, and both of these are

searchable in the archives of Queensland

historical papers, but I'm not going to.

Reveal who they are until the book comes

out, because we wanna just appreciate

the message that comes through.

For the message that came through.

I wanna let you know that

the Second Spirit, she,

Is an oldest spirit in

comparison to the First Spirit.

So this does involve the death of a.

A young girl and a death

of a medium aged lady.

And they both were victims of, , assault

battery and, and one was raped.

So they both had very,

very, very traumatic, deaths

and neither crossed over.

And they've come through today

jointly to share the message about.

Themselves.

So there are bits and pieces that

are difficult in the beginning of

the session to separate, because if

you have one spirit who's not willing

to talk because they want somebody

else to explain the message, then it

takes a little while to separate them.

You know, this is different from a normal

mediumship session where we are com

connected with dad or mom or whoever.

We know who they are.

We know their personality, we know

their identity, we know their story.

This is two spirits who are

volunteering to come forward to pass

on a message, message to humanity.

And, they have no personal connection

to me that I know of at this

stage, but I have helped them.

And so they're trying to return the

favor, I guess, in some kind of a way

to pass on the message about what it's

like for somebody who chooses not to

cross at the time of death because of the

traumatic circumstances of their death.

So it's very interesting episode today.

and I don't think there are

any trigger warnings necessary.

So just, I guess enjoy

is never the word is it?

Especially with these.

But I hope you find this

episode interesting.

Thank you.

Hello?

Hello.

Hey, how

are you?

Oh, better now.

Thanks.

Good.

Good.

How's your day been?

Oh, oh.

I went to get some groceries.

And I had a funny feeling and I was

like, I think there's some ghosties here.

And I had three earthbounds,

six cats, a lower thought, lower

realm entity, and a dark entity

attached to me in the parking lot.

Oh my God.

that is very exciting.

And, I was

like, oh my God, I feel sick.

It was just like, yeah.

I was like all in my, heart

and my stomach and the side.

And I was like, oh, so

anyway, they're all gone now.

But yeah, that wasn't fun.

Six cats was interesting.

Yeah.

that is really weird.

Yeah.

You, they, they probably

know that you like cats, so

they're like go home with her.

Oh it's, this

little it's this shopping center where

there, I used to see before I got max, I

used to see a lot of little stray cats.

So I'm figuring they died

and just hung around.

Yeah it was just, yeah, all of a sudden

I thought, cause I always thought it

was like a, shady, the supermarket

was a bit, but it's my local.

And so I've never, had any troubles

before today, but because today

I was curious, I was like, oh,

Yeah.

Yeah.

I did look over your list

and quite a few of them.

I was just initially drawn to, but

the one that I believe is gonna

come through for sure is Miriam Yep.

I kept hearing the name Mary

all day and I was like, but

there wasn't a Mary on her list.

So it could be that a Mary comes

through, but when I used my pendulum

to see if Marion was gonna come

through, it kept swinging yes.

For Miam to come through.

So I don't know if it's gonna be two or

if I was just hearing Mary from Miriam, or

if that maybe was a nickname or something.

Yeah.

It might be I'm

just, notes might be a nickname because

What you're listed on your grave as being

isn't necessarily what people called you.

Hey yeah.

I'm I feel like it's the same because

I was thinking, okay maybe, Mary

is the one that you have as Madam.

But when I asked the pendulum,

it, it was not saying yes, so

it kept going nuts instead.

So

I do think

actually if, it is this Miriam, I've

got written down in my notes that

she was known by three, three names

Maryam Marie and Mary M a R I E.

Okay, awesome.

Yeah.

So that makes sense.

While I was hearing Mary all

day, like it just, I kept hearing

Mary randomly popping my head.

So that

makes sense.

Yeah.

See, let's see, she's got a very, if

it's her, she's got a very storage tell.

Oh,

that makes sense then,

because I've already picked up on

when I was clearing my mind and in

after I confirmed that Maryam was

gonna come in, trigger warning, I

just immediately thought of rape.

Yeah.

She was raped and murdered

okay.

So that confirms it.

That is definitely who

we're talking about.

Yep.

The other thing the only other thing

I picked up on quickly just doing my,

initial was she did make me feel a

very tight very tight on my throat.

And I didn't ask her what that meant.

That was just my initial reaction was that

she gave me a tight feeling on my throat.

I would say that intuitively,

I feel like she was choked.

Maybe that's not the only thing

that happened to her, but I do

feel like she was abused and choked

or she had some

nasty things happen to her that day.

So yeah.

It's gonna be a rough one.

I'm sorry.

But I, yeah, I talked about her

in the women lighting the way

speech that I did recently and I'm

very keen to, to learn about her

experience of me crossing her over.

And yeah.

So anyway we will just see who comes

through and, see what she has to say.

All right.

All

right.

So she's presenting herself to me in

a way that makes me feel like she she

was younger in age, not like a child,

but just still had a lot of living

to do is how she's making me feel.

She's also making me feel like she's

making me feel like she was a very pretty

lady just a very pretty younger lady.

She's making me feel like she, for the

most part had a decent life until this

experience she's making me feel like

she didn't really want for anything.

Oh,

She's making me feel

like she came from money.

Okay.

Like she's making me,

she's making me feel like

Maybe not like extreme wealth, but she's

just making me feel like she didn't

struggle before a lot, like in her past.

Okay.

So there's,

is there some crossing?

There's a number of

people that I crossed over at the same

spot who could match this description.

So what I'd wanna know is.

Could she tell me the location

that I crossed her over?

What kind of a venue?

What kind of a location was it?

It feels

like a cemetery or a park.

I'm seeing like an outside

area with a fence around it.

Just a little side note here, what she's

talking about is the BOGO Road jail,

and it is fenced with the jail in the

middle, and it has a lot of, park benches

and grasslands, like a park around it.

And then across the road is a

cemetery, so she's spot on with it.

Okay.

Right.

So if it was going to be Miriam,

then I crossed her over in a.

Which overlooked a, but I also visited

her grave in the cemetery, but she

would've been crossed over at the pub

and she would've near the pub if that's

The one that had that, was the one that

was raped had a hus had a husband in jail.

So if that resonates with

her, then that's her.

If she wasn't married, then it's not her.

It's another person.

Yeah.

It doesn't feel right.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

At that same location, there was a

young girl who was the Republican's

daughter and she was very young.

To be Republican at the time that

come from Republican's family at

the time when she was alive, she

would've be had access to money

outside.

what's this one's name?

The Republican's daughter

Republican as in the

pub, you know where you gotta drink bit.

Oh, okay.

The one who the one who was

the public's daughter ele

she drowned, which

they might

be coming in together.

Yeah.

Maybe we

need to, ask them to step aside

and come through one at a time.

I'm just looking through

my records of other places.

I've crossed people over.

Oh, there's another one.

Sorry.

There's been quite a lot of females

with a lot of tragic passes.

There's one that I there's one that

I crossed over who was also raped.

But her name would be Ivy.

She was very young and I crossed

her over, outside historical sight.

And if it's her, she first tried to

grab my attention in a particular way.

And if, it's her then know

which particular way she

tried to grab my attention.

Was it your throat?

Yeah.

So I just wanted to let you know here that

this was Ivy and I became aware of Ivy

because one evening I was driving my kids,

PA Bogo Road jail down towards, I think it

was debating and, everything was normal.

I had forgotten to protect myself

energetically as I drove past

the South Brisbane Cemetery.

And as we were going, it was

like, Two seconds past the

cemetery is the Boga Road jail.

And literally I was driving the car and

then suddenly I just gasped for air.

This energy actually attacked

my throat and the kids were

like, mom, mama, you okay?

And I was just like,

struggling to breathe.

And then I regained my

composure and, we kept driving.

But I knew at that time

that, you know, I had been.

Attacked by somebody at BOGO Road Jail.

So it was then after that that I then

went back to the jail another day to

find who needed crossing over, cuz

it's a desperate attempt for help.

That's what, , them attacking you is

absolutely desperate in the need for help.

Okay.

I'm thinking it's.

Because she keeps going to my throat.

Yeah.

And it's PO it's possible that

because Miam and her obviously

have that, connection that Miriam

is also like coming in with her.

I'm not really feeling Selena may,

but I would say that Miam and Ivy were

initially wanting to communicate together.

So I'm gonna ask them to separate

and we'll focus on one for now.

And then if the other one wants

to come in we can talk to them.

After we talked to one originally

I'm gonna say, we're gonna,

we're gonna talk to Ivy first.

Just cause she's the

one who came from money.

Okay.

I'm feeling like yeah, I'm

feeling like she's the one.

That wants to talk right now

because she's the one that's

bringing forth the information.

Yeah.

So she she's making me feel like

her death was very it was just very

out of nowhere, very unexpected.

She was taken completely by surprise.

And it was very terrifying.

Obviously that's she's just

making me feel like my nervous

system is reacting right now.

Like I'm, shaking a little bit.

She does keep squeezing on like

my throat keeps tightening.

So I'm thinking there was definitely,

and with your experience with

that too, there definitely had

to be some trauma to her throat.

It does feel like there was

a lot of physical abuse.

It would, I would not be surprised if

she died from like a bludgeoning or

something like that, because it, if

not, she was just severely beaten is

how it just feels very I just feel like

her whole body is just hurting, bruised

and cut and just all of her just seems.

Just seemed so battered.

I'm feeling like I'm feeling like she was

like, like I said, she was a young lady.

I don't feel like she was married.

She may have been, but okay.

I feel like she might have been

seeing someone, but I don't

feel like she was married.

She is making, she's

just walking me through.

She's making me feel like there

was a lot of pressure on her to be,

to be perfect.

She's making me feel like she was

under a lot of pressure to just like

uphold family values is how I feel.

Like she had a, lot of

expectations were put on her.

She is making me feel like There

was definitely some distance

emotionally between her PA like

between her and her parents.

She's making me feel like there

wasn't there wasn't a lot of love

and affection and that kind of stuff.

She's just making me feel like when she

was I just feels like she was attacked.

I don't feel like she knew the attacker.

It did take her by surprise.

It was like it was just so it

was the assailant like caught

her off guard is how I feel.

It does feel like it

happened at night outside.

I'm just seeing like, dark streets is

how it's, she's appearing it to me.

Like just dark streets, dark alleyways.

I'm feeling like she was out later

than she normally would've been.

And I feel like there was, she didn't

wanna go home is how I'm feeling.

I feel like there was maybe some

kind of argument or something

with her and her parents.

Like they were, it wasn't anything

serious, but it was just enough

to where she needed to cool off.

And so she just didn't wanna go home.

And that, this was when that happened

and when she passed, she blamed herself

because she felt she felt like it was such

a trivial thing to just not wanna go home.

And then this happened is

all of this resonating okay.

There was a lot of religious shame and

regret about crossing over as well.

She's making me feel like because of

the rape, she felt like sh she was

not pure and she had this fear of what

would happen if she weren't cross over

and she just said, she's making me

feel like she just felt so unclean.

Like she just felt so dirty.

And then that, that shame and that

fear also then turned into anger.

She started to feel so angry and so

resentful that her life was taken from

her before she really got a chance to

live And so those emotions is what kept

her, was what kept her here for so long.

There's also disappointment.

She's making me feel like she's like

her, she always had this reoccurring.

Feeling of her parents being

disappointed in her and her

not being able to please them.

And so when this happened, she also

felt like she had let them down as well.

She says that she went to her funeral.

She said that she left when her mom cried.

She said that she just couldn't bear it.

Katische Haberfield:

Where did she go to then?

Because where I crossed over is a very

long way away from where she lived.

So what I'm interested in knowing

is how she found me twice.

Was that just through the telepathic

thing, because or did she hang

around where her murderer was jailed?

That's the dynamic that I'm trying to

understand here is why was she, why did I

cross her over at the location that I did?

She may not even know where she was

when I crossed over, to be honest,

I'm just trying to understand the

dynamics of being in the earthbound.

The only thing

that I'm feeling is just a

really tightness in my chest.

She's not really showing me anything.

Okay.

Yeah, it's just one of the things and

I know she can hear you talking to me.

So one of the things that I'm trying

to understand so I'm addressing

her now is that and she may not

even have realized this, but when

I came across her, she was in the

location where her murderer got hung.

So I'm interested in the dynamics and

understanding the spiritual world,

how she was an earthbound spirit yet.

Her murderer also became a earthbound

spirit, even though he was hung

for her crime, for the crime of

killing her, he didn't cross over.

And so when I found them both,

they were together it's as though.

There was some kind of chord or a, the

chord or something that was holding

them together because of the crime.

That's, what I was really curious about.

If she, with hindsight now that she

has crossed and has access to spiritual

knowledge, if she understands the

dynamics of, that if she's able to

provide us any insight or even if she

was aware that that, she was even in

that location near where her murderer

was actually hung for her death.

So she's making me feel

like at the time she wasn't fully aware

of where she was and what she was doing,

that she's making me feel like, she was

just wondering just wandering from, place

to place, almost it ma it's it makes me

feel like it's like, flashes I'm here,

flashes I'm here, flashes I'm here.

And it was lots of different

places that she was connected to.

But specifically the line that

I'm seeing that is in connection

to him is an anger thread.

Okay.

And that, that, that makes sense with

her telling me that, there was that

anger that she was feeling after the

shame and after the guilt and after

the resentment, like she, she was then

focusing on that, turned to anger.

So that would make sense that's

where she was towards that

phase of her earthbound journey.

If I don't know how to her earthbound

time But I do feel like that was.

Yeah, it's a anger thread that

kept her linked to him because

of just that deep rooted rage.

Yep.

But it also doesn't feel like

at the time of being earthbound,

she wasn't really aware that's

what it was, if that makes sense.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yep.

That's yeah.

It's interesting.

Thank you.

And just curious as to her

impressions of the crossing

over process, what did she see?

What did she experience and

what were her life lessons?

Why did she have to have that experience?

So she's initially

making me feel like she was

surprised by you, because like I

said, she was being ruled by this.

By this hatred and by this anger at

that time, but she's making me feel

like when, I guess when she, when you

guys encountered, she felt tremendous

love and understanding from you.

And it was like like it was almost

like she made me feel like it was

like a slap in the face because she

hadn't experienced that in so long.

So it was almost like it like a

splash of water to her face is

how, yeah, like a splash of water,

because it, was almost like an anger.

It seems like it, it is like an

anger dream, like an anger daze.

That's got her delirious and confused

and then boom, she gets splashed with

this water of compassion and love.

And she's saying it's just.

It's just because you understand how

this works more than most people would.

So you understand, like she's

not like evil she's not doing

it to, actually try to hurt you.

She's just confused and it's you

just it's just your soul knew how to

respond is how she's making me feel.

It's just even if you didn't exactly know

how to respond at first, it's like your

aura, your energy just knew what to do.

And so it's it woke her up and

she's just making me feel like you.

Like it was may I, you can probably

confirm if this is what happened,

but she's making me feel like,

you actually empathized with her.

Like you actually like, held space for

her and let her relive what she needed

to and let go of what she needed to.

And she just, she was able to release all

of that from all of what happened to her.

And she's just making me feel like it

was very, just surreal, very comforting.

And it, just, she's making me feel like

it was like waking up, from a long, dream.

She's making me feel like I don't know.

If you called on someone, but she's

making me feel like angels greeted

her And that, is what, let her know.

Like she could definitely go to the

other side and not, be shamed, not

be judged that their presence along

was so uplifting and loving that she

decided it was that she was ready.

And then she's just making me see white

light, just white light and then just

this feeling of, being light it's,

just like she's lighter and lighter

and, just letting go of everything.

It's very, moving.

Just the feeling of love and just

gratitude and acceptance and peace.

It's just, it's very, overwhelming

and very, moving for sure.

Her lessons here were anger.

She had a lot of resentment

and a lot of anger.

Towards her parents towards her

siblings, I feel like she was one

of, at least one of the oldest.

I feel like there's some younger

siblings that she was jealous and

caused some resentment and anger there.

Angry at herself for messing up or

not being perfect for not meeting the

expectations of everyone around her.

I feel like a, yeah, a lot of

the lessons that she was meant

to learn were around anger and

learning to let go of that anger.

Let go of it, but also voice it.

I feel like she held a lot of it

in, she didn't express herself.

She didn't speak how she felt.

She just let people tell her how to feel.

So it's also about vocalizing that and.

Expressing that before it festers

and before it turns into anger

and that, it's expression too is,

deeply in there as well, expressing

yourself, being authentic, saying how

you feel doing what you want doing what's

best for you and not what's best for

everyone else.

So it's ironic that she was choked.

Sorry.

Went to laugh Ivy, but it's she tried

to choke me to get my attention and

then she was choked herself yeah.

Yeah.

And yeah that, ties all in with

the throat chakra and all of that.

It's a beautiful circle for sure.

And is there

anything that she wants to tell us about

healing or what she's been doing since

it's been about two, two

months in human time.

So in heaven time could be centuries,

she says that she works with

people and helps them find their voice.

Okay.

Beautiful.

And she's chosen that as a guiding role

instead of reincarnating for the moment.

Is that right?

She's doing both.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

It's just a, both.

I feel like she's guiding

more of her in other incarnations at the

moment,

guiding other incarnations.

Okay.

But

not, but I do

feel like that's not the

only thing that she's doing.

She's guiding others as well, but

I feel like predominantly it's her

other incarnations that she's guiding.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Cool.

Yeah.

The reason why I ask for that is

because obviously one of the things

that we struggle with as humans

is we think that time is linear.

And we think that you have to finish,

you do one recar, then you go up and get

heating and the next, then you come down

and it doesn't work like that at all.

It's like simultaneously, and you don't

wait for one to come back and yeah.

I, just wanted to write that down

in her story that that you can do

multiple things at once for soul.

Yeah.

She's definitely validating that she,

can actively be her healed higher

herself as a guide and guide all of

her incarnations at the same time.

And that's, her purpose is to guide.

It feels like it is more feminine energy.

She's guiding more feminine energy to be

expressive and to step into their truth

and be authentic and say how they feel.

And.

And say no and, definitely in, in

that realm, it does feel like she's

a feminine guide of that nature.

Okay, cool.

Thank you.

All right.

Did she have anything else to say

before she sees whether Miriam

wants to come in or is she done?

We do appreciate that she actually

stepped forward to chat to us.

She doesn't really

have anything else to say.

She just wants to acknowledge

both of us for doing this

work and for using our voice.

And she wants to encourage us

to keep doing that and to keep

empowering others to do the same.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

I was trying to

see if Miam wants to come in

and she's here, but she's,

like making me feel right now

that.

It's hard to explain it.

She's making me feel like she's

okay with Ivy telling her story.

Oh, okay.

That's fair enough.

Oh, Ivy wants to tell.

Yeah.

It's there's like some resistance there.

Okay.

She did.

Neither of them have to, it's

just if they want to, they can.

And if they don't, I'm sure there's

somebody else who wants to come

through, but there's a commonality

between what's a commonality.

Lemme see sorry.

I'm just looking here.

Oh yeah.

There is the commonality is that and

the reason why they seem to have come

together, which is also interesting is

that Miriam's husband was incarcerated

the same place as Ivy's murder.

Okay.

So there's that interesting thread

of attachment between them, even if

they don't, aren't aware of that.

She's not given me anything.

Yep.

That's all right.

We'll just say thanks.

And Wish you well, Miriam, that's fine.

That's

fine.

Miriam.

The, feeling I'm getting is

that their lessons are very,

similar.

Yeah that's the

feeling that I'm getting.

But she's not wanting to give me details

on it.

That's fine.

That's fine.

All right.

Is there anyone else that

wants to come through that is

willing to come through today?

Whether we have them on the list or not?

Harry's coming through

Hey, Harry.

Yeah.

He's just he's doing like this.

He's like, good job.

He's just, here for emotional support.

all right.

Can you ask Harry a question for me?

Sure.

Can you ask him about my experience

today, that when I was in the green

slope mall and I felt a sensation and

I was curious about it, and then I

forgot to energetically protect myself.

I just had this curious human

moment where I went, oh, this

feels a bit creepy down here.

It always has.

I wonder if there's a ghost and there's

then suddenly I had all those beings

attached to me and I didn't even, it was

like a split second thought of interest

and then bang and I didn't get time to do

a visualization and energetic protection.

Can you ask him, is it just something

that I've gotta learn to deal with

that because I'm open and active to

helping beings the Wolf foam forms,

both the lower realms and the earthbound

spirits and everything like that.

Two crossover that I've just gotta

take one for the team every now and

then with attachments or does he have

like I can't maybe I have to, but

it's if I have to consciously protect

myself every time I walk out the door

to make sure that I don't get attached

to then every time I think about our

ghost, then you know I'm, doing that

visualization 24 7, so to speak.

So does he have any advice about

the mechanics of protecting

oneself from painful attachments?

So he's saying he's saying

it's like a door and he's saying most

of the time, your door's wide open.

He is recommending that you just, before

you go and put yourself out there,

if you're not expecting to interact,

if your intention is not to interact,

that you set the intention to protect

yourself, protect your space, protect

your energy and not allow anything in

because when the door's open, you're

open to whatever wants to come in.

He is making me feel like

your third eye is very open.

He's very open.

And he's saying that's okay,

there's nothing wrong with that.

But you need, if you don't want

anything to attach or to connect,

you have to set that intention

before you put yourself out there.

Yeah.

Cause he's he's making me feel like you

are like a beacon, so you're like opening

the door and you're like, Hey guys, on and

the ones that wanna come in they're going.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, because it just seems like as

soon as I hear as soon as I turn on

the TV and I hear about somebody that's

been murdered or killed or whatever

bang they do, it's it's split second.

Like I don't even have

time to think it bang.

Yeah, he's making me feel

like it you are like a beacon, like your

energy calls out to them because one,

like they know that you can help them.

And, two, you do have this, presence that

is it's light, and they're drawn to that.

Even if some of them are confused

and don't know why they're drawn

to you, they're still drawn to you.

So you, you do have to protect

yourself and, set the intention.

He's showing me my symbol for connection.

I do a closed and open sign like that

you see above like a door or something.

So when I'm willing to

be open, I imagine that

open.

Oh, you put the shingle out.

All right.

Okay.

Yeah.

When I'm not open, I do my closed.

So every now and then something's

still gonna, so can still creep

in if I'm not, if I'm not.

Doing it actively and not

reestablishing my boundaries, but

for the most part, it works for me.

And so he, showed me that

reference the open and close sign.

So that's something you can try.

It's a lot quicker, doesn't

take as much effort.

And he does want me to remind you

that it's your energy, you have

control you get it, it doesn't, you

don't have to go through all of these

steps and stuff to protect yourself.

What your energy needs what you'll allow

simply state it, state the intention.

That's enough.

One of the things

that I noticed is that I can be just

sitting at my desk and I'm not open

for business, but Harry will come in

the room with somebody cuz like the cat

will come and cat has a certain way of

just looking at me, like very quiet.

And I know it's Harry's here.

Okay.

And then I know it's a child.

So then I I'm not necessarily open for

business, but he comes is that because

they're urgent cases what's, the deal

there with the children that he brings in.

He says that he will

patiently wait with the children.

He said that you will know if

it's urgent and it can't wait.

Okay.

But he said that if he shows

up and it's not the time just

to tell him, come back later.

Okay.

Cause see for me what happens is if,

he comes or any of them come, the cat's

not gonna rest or leave me alone until

that, that spirit is crossed over.

So I like I just, do it now for the

cat's sake, but alright, no worries.

Yeah, because it's

this, sense that I have.

Because I can't just can't

bear the thought of them ever

being an earthbound spirit.

You know what I mean?

And I'm like, as a parent, I'm like,

if they have to wait one more second.

I couldn't, I just, I couldn't

bear it if it was my child.

Yeah.

It's interesting to note that he's, that

these cases don't seem to feel urgent

to him and yeah, because sometimes some

of the spirits that I cross over that

aren't related to him bringing them in,

they feel like they're being chased.

They, say the words like this

morning the, words were satanic.

And clearly there was either satanic

rituals being happening in that car park.

And there was a DFE that attached to me.

So obviously the earthbound spirits

were running away from the DFE duck

force entity, and then they all

came at once that took them all.

So in, in that kind of case,

I feel like it is urgent.

If they've got a DFE running after them

in my mind, I see running, but then

I feel like time is of the essence,

but I don't know whether from the

spiritual world sense, it is even urgent.

Do you know what I mean?

I don't understand how the, how time works

when you're a an earthbound spirit and for

the mental, physical, spiritual wellbeing

of the, being that hasn't crossed over

like when you're talking about human

time, does the difference between

you going, there's not enough time.

I can't do it right now.

And coming back later does that make

a difference to their wellbeing?

Are you doing say the difference

between when somebody's dying and you

can get their ambulance and they come

three minutes versus 30 seconds is the

difference between life and death when

it comes to a soul that's wandering I've

heard different approaches from people,

which is, oh, don't worry about it.

Come back tomorrow.

It doesn't matter that they're still

gonna be wondering tomorrow, but I'm like,

yeah, but it's, for me, it feels like

every second makes a difference of the

impact of the level of trauma to the soul.

But I don't know if that's real or not.

He's making me feel

like he's making me feel like to

them, Tom doesn't really exist.

It almost like it, everything stops.

Yep.

So he's making me feel like like it

really doesn't make a difference.

Okay.

Because.

It's all, It's also like everything

that they're experiencing, all of the

trauma, the lessons and stuff, they're

experiencing it all at once too.

So whenever they find you and

whenever you cross them over, it's

it doesn't, there's no time lapse.

I don't, it's hard to explain, but

it's it's it's all happening at once.

Anyways.

There's just it's kind.

Yeah.

Okay.

Does, that make sense?

It's hard to put it into words,

but that's how he's making me feel.

It is.

Yeah, it is hard

to put into words because, we are at

a timebound construct for us, if we

had a, living, breathing child at the

door hungry, we wouldn't close the

door and go, no, see it to San Ann.

We can just sit out there

all night in the cold.

But with the earthbound spirits, it's

because they don't experience time.

It's clearly it's not the same.

So anyway, that's just, yeah, that's

just for me to, understand it's that

guilt, that hearing guilt context of

that's exactly what it is.

And he's telling me like, that's why

this line of work is part of your

purpose because you do have such a big

heart and you want to help everyone,

but you have to make sure that you are

full to, and you have to make sure that

you're not pouring from an empty cup.

You have to make sure

that you are healthy.

You're where you need to be, and

that you're taking care of yourself

so that you can be fully energized

to help people to help earthbounds

to help the ones who really need it.

And that means just establishing your

own boundaries your own time when it's

okay to work and when it's okay to

rest.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He said that you'll work out all.

You'll work out all the kink

is how he's making me feel.

You'll work it all out.

I know.

I know.

It's just, yeah.

, Megan Jones: it's hard.

it?

It's hard.

Cause we have a servants, heart

we want to serve, we want to serve

spirit and that's why we're here,

but we have to serve ourselves too.

Cuz we are spirit too.

Yeah.

Yep.

Laura.

Thank you

Harry.

Thank you Harry.

He's so sweet.

I just love his energy.

he is lovely.

All right.

I'm assuming that's it for today?

Yes.

Yeah, that's it.

I don't feel anyone else

trying to come through.

All right, goodo.