How do I further surrender to my soul mission as a cosmic convener?
In this one question channeling session, Amma Ventelä — poet, channeler, and aquatic ecologist — asks about her calling to gather people together as pillars of light and receives direct guidance through spiritual channeling.
The Question
Amma Ventelä came to this session with a question that sits at the heart of her life's work. She describes herself as a cosmic convener — someone called to gather people together to collectively channel the highest love and light to the earth, without assumption or agenda. Simply to surrender, trust, and be the channel.
Her question: how do I further open to and surrender to this soul mission?
The Channeling Session
What unfolded was unexpected — even for Katische.
Before connecting to the angelic guidance Amma had anticipated, Katische encountered an entirely different energy: water-based beings, described as water sprites, that carried an enormous sense of excitement and urgency. These beings, they explained, exist only where Amma lives — not in Australia where Katische is based. They have no direct equivalent in Katische's language or cultural vocabulary.
The water sprites revealed that Amma's presence in this session was serving a dual purpose: delivering guidance for Amma, and facilitating a healing transmission for Katische herself — specifically around past life trauma connected to water and her throat chakra.
Following the water sprites, an angelic presence stepped forward with a direct message for Amma: there are angelic wings in the angelic realm, already waiting for her to claim.
Key Insights from This Session
- Amma has been working with water-based elemental beings — water sprites — who are intimately connected to her soul mission and are described as "ready" and "swirling" around her at this time
- This is Amma's year to step into the next level of her spiritual leadership and to gather her community around her — to be the accessible leader, not the distant giant
- Angelic wings are available to Amma in the angelic realm. These are not symbolic — they are an energetic resource she can develop and anchor into her human physicality to give flight to her soul mission
- Soul missions of this nature require investment, education, and fine-tuning. There is intellectual property within Amma's work that is hers to develop and define
- Spiritual solopreneurs need community. The message was clear: no one does this work alone, and reaching out is not weakness — it is wisdom
Who This Is For
This episode is for you if you are a channeler, intuitive, or spiritual practitioner who senses a larger mission but isn't yet sure how to step fully into it. It is for people drawn to elemental energies, light language, or angelic realms — and for anyone who has been doing deep spiritual work quietly behind the scenes, wondering if it is time to gather others and lead.
If you have ever felt called to bring people together for a spiritual purpose, this session will speak directly to you.
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Transcript
[00:00:00] Katische Haberfield: Welcome to the Infinite Life: Consciousness Raising, Spiritual Transformation. I'm your host, katische haberfield. I am a channel of spiritual beings who portray, display, embody, and convey, higher spiritual intelligence to help us humans who are incarnated here today on earth, on our journey of not only a single spiritual awakening, but multiple spiritual awakenings. We are all
[00:00:32] Katische Haberfield: awakenings.
[00:00:32] Katische Haberfield: We're all here to help and there's bound to be an episode or an entire season that will help you on your journey. So I'll let you explore them. But if you would like to work with me in a private capacity, you can head katische.com.
[00:00:48] Katische Haberfield: And thank you, bless your soul and
[00:00:50] Katische Haberfield: Namaste.
[00:00:51] Katische Haberfield: I wish you well on your journey.
[00:00:53] Katische Haberfield: Enjoy the episode today.
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[00:01:01] Katische Haberfield: welcome to the Infinite Life. I'm your host, Katische Haberfield, and this week I am privileged to bring to you a guest, and her name is Amma.
[00:01:10] Katische Haberfield: And Amma I, this is the first time I'm actually physically meeting her, but we were both recently in the Soulful Poems Nature and Nurture book. So that is our connection. So welcome to the podcast, Amma.
[00:01:27] Amma Ventelä: Thank you. Thank you so much, Katische.
[00:01:30] Katische Haberfield: I'll just ask you for the one question, and then I'll take a moment to clarify the question, make sure I understand it. Then I will look straight at the camera and find the authorised being in the light who's come to answer your question for you. The energy just went straight past your face, so just straight past.
[00:01:53] Katische Haberfield: So they're here. All right. So are you ready?
[00:01:57] Amma Ventelä: definitely. The energy has been very flowing. I have been receiving message because I'm also full, kind of full-time channeler, so I have been receiving these messages all morning and it has, it was, the energy was even little bit too high when I was approaching this room, so I have to ground
[00:02:16] Amma Ventelä: maybe.
[00:02:16] Katische Haberfield: Yeah you, look a little nervous, but that's all right. We've had some really fascinating experiences so far. Alright, so we'll just take a deep breath and we'll get started. If you'd like to let me know what your one question is because we can see that you've got some very impatient energy who's keen to talk to you today.
[00:02:40] Amma Ventelä: Yes I was searching for the question and it's about my work as a cosmic convener. I feel that I have been called to to call in people together to use our channel, our pillars of light to be the channel of the highest love and light to earth and people, and wherever it is needed, without any assumption, any human idea that what we are doing and what energy is flowing and where we simply surrender and trust and be the channels. So that's, I feel that's my soul mission. And I would like to ask angels that if, there's any message that they would like me to know in addition to my own guidance that, that what how to further surrender, how to further open to this soul mission.
[00:03:51] Katische Haberfield: Okay. Alright, so you're a channel yourself and what you'd like to know is how to further surrender to this mission of channeling and is there any particular message that they would like to know to help you in achieving this and helping others also in, in your who you come in connection with?
[00:04:09] Amma Ventelä: Yes.
[00:04:10] Katische Haberfield: All right.
[00:04:12] Katische Haberfield: My very first interesting observation before I connect with the identity is that they tried to speak to me in light language and I was like no I don't understand light language. You have to, I,
[00:04:25] Amma Ventelä: that's my language. I get these light codes. They are everywhere and I'm really, like channel of these light codes, especially more and more.
[00:04:34] Katische Haberfield: Yeah. They started speaking to me in light codes, in actual words, and I was like, no, I don't speak light language, so you'll have to do it through my way, not her way. Alright I will connect in now, so just one moment.
[00:05:00] Katische Haberfield: Okay, so right now we have a couple of different forms of energy. We have one form, which is like a water-based energy. The second form is an intermediary energy. And the third form is the wrong higher energy is not right. But if I feel it, it makes me wanna look straight up right into the light.
[00:05:34] Katische Haberfield: So I would say it is a god slash goddess kind of an energy. But I won't put words to it just right now, so I'll just connect to the water based energy. 'cause that's the free flowing energy that went straight past the screen when I first came in. And I'm not sure that I've channeled water before. So here we go.
[00:05:55] Katische Haberfield: Okay.
[00:06:00] Katische Haberfield: All right. We are not a collective consciousness, nor are we water. But you were very close and we are not clouds or a form of thought, but we can see that your third eye is really trying to sort out and classify us into some kind of elemental being that you feel that we are. But to be honest with you, we don't think we have a presence here on.
[00:06:28] Katische Haberfield: Because this is really mucking with your eyes. We know we are sorry, but we don't think that we have a presence here in either your language or on the continent that you belong to. The two of you are based on different continents and where you live, Katische, we don't exist. So this is an energy that is based only where Amma is and it is we would call a natural based energy.
[00:06:58] Katische Haberfield: It is as you did experience a spirit based energy, which does present to you in a kind of a form, like a fairy or a fae. Sorry, she's resisting closing her eyes 'cause she wants to do the the open eye channeling, but she may have to just surrender to this one. Okay. Because she's been taught to channel with her eyes open, so she feels a little bit less secure with them closed.
[00:07:33] Katische Haberfield: But anyway. The point, of it is that the energy is not present or available in Australia, where Katische is.. So she can only interpret it as a fairy, a goblin, a small creature, something that may have come out of an Enid Blighton book. But we would call ourselves neither fae nor fairy, and she doesn't have a word in her language.
[00:07:57] Katische Haberfield: So she apologizes because when she comes out of this session, she will connect you with the energy Amma and you'll be able to identify it in your own mind, your own language, and receive a light language transmission. So that you can connect with it. But it is and has been, and we have been racing around it because we are very excited.
[00:08:18] Katische Haberfield: We are very, excited and that's why the energy has been very frenetic and overwhelming and we don't apologize for that. We just would like to say that we are new to you. And with newness comes excitement. And with excitement comes adventure. And with adventure comes curiosity. And so what we are trying to do here today is to show you that when you choose to live in different parts of the world, there is different kinds of energy that you become at home with, and then there's different kinds of energy that other people explain to you through books and through stories and through movies, and through videos and YouTube and all sorts of things, and poetry, for example. And that energy can feel both exciting. It can also feel a little bit unsure and make you feel a little bit nervy, but it also can feel like home to your soul.
[00:09:14] Katische Haberfield: So Katische we do know that you have been watching a lot of northern based footage just before you came on with snow and scenes from Svalbard. And we would say that we do not go as north, far north as Svalbard because our energy cannot cope in the freezing cold regions where the water does go to sleep, so to speak, with a last layer or crust of ice.
[00:09:44] Katische Haberfield: So we prefer the and as you just saw, the trickling waters, the waters that are in mountain streams, and we would identify as, oh, okay. The energy that you have drawn using I ai. More like a water sprite, if that's the correct terminology that you are able to visualize. We are the not sentence nor consciousness, we are embodied within the energy of the creative kingdom that utilizes the, and harnesses the energy of water to exist, but we do not belong to water. So we are not the consciousness of water, nor are we a symbiotic creature or a host creature, or like a strangler on a tree kind of a creature. We coexist with the water and how do we coexist and why do we coexist?
[00:10:43] Katische Haberfield: And what has this got to do with Amma So we'll take it piece by piece. So we coexist with water because the way that water does flow. Okay. Now Katische understands we could not allow water to come. She feels it directly in her throat and come and communicate with her directly today because she's still healing from very many incarnations where she drowned in water.
[00:11:14] Katische Haberfield: And so whilst she has believed that she has healed those incarnations, every now and then she does Coke. Coke, wrong word, not croak, that's a frog. Seem to choke. Because the throat chakra is still processing the different layers of healing that has come down through from the very many different lifetimes where she drowned.
[00:11:43] Katische Haberfield: And so we are doing our best to be the intermediary with the water so that she does not get frightened because the task that she had in this lifetime was to do some very important healing for her soul, which she, volunteered for to some extent, but then also she had to learn to reactivate many skills that she had in other lifetimes.
[00:12:08] Katische Haberfield: And the connection to you is because you are both channels and we would say you are more experienced in this lifetime Amma than Katische because she's only recently gone public with this ability and it has taken most of her lifetime to develop the awareness that she needed to, do this and to overcome the throat chakra, which would allow her to vocalize her channeling.
[00:12:33] Katische Haberfield: Now she was given the opportunity to go the light language route, and she does have her hands clasped very firmly at the moment because she can feel the energy as well. But she says that is a bigger fear for me. And I do not consider myself willing to channel words that I do not understand. So perhaps that is for another incarnation for her, but she does study it.
[00:12:57] Katische Haberfield: But she's not comfortable with it. So we are the intermediary interface for her between water and the purpose of you coming on here today is actually more for her than it is you. So we thank you for that 'cause you are fa facilitating both a healing transmission and she can feel it now. The heat coming, actually up through her central channel. So you were facilitating that healing from the water because the water, if she would see her eyes, would be opening she would see the water flowing around you and it would swirl and she would be worried that, it would be like the scenario that she faced in the Viking lifetime and then also in the Titanic lifetime.
[00:13:42] Katische Haberfield: That is why you were brought here Amma to facilitate the healing through the channeling experience because she loves water and she enjoys being in the water, but she has historically become very seasick on water. And also she's not a strong swimmer, although living in Australia, she does like to jump and surf in the waves, but we would not classify her as a strong swimmer.
[00:14:04] Katische Haberfield: So your role firstly, in participating in this co-contribution today is to simply allow her to receive the energy of the water through us. We are the water sprites and we had so designed to create a season on the podcast, but it was not seen favorably by potential applicants to go into the world of the fae the fairy, the Sprites, and other creatures that she calls them to delight and show people lifetimes where they have interacted or been these beings.
[00:14:39] Katische Haberfield: But she was not very clear with her communication because she did not know how to experience it other than to design and draw images, which she kept to herself. And then she created a beautiful webpage, and then unfortunately there was no uptake. And sometimes when those seasons happen for her it is because those seasons were designed predominantly for her curiosity, but they were more for the partial education, partial healing for the people doing in doing it for them. Mostly a lot for her. We think that perhaps if she had been more aware of your consciousness before this book, that maybe she might have invited you on that season and that would've happened that way anyway. So we've just hinted that your consciousness has been involved with us in an intimate way.
[00:15:34] Katische Haberfield: But you would find a different name for us, which is not in her terminology lexicology or vocabulary. I think it's a language barrier and a healing barrier for her at the moment. So the second part of this is that if you do take the time and the liberty to listen to the other channeling sessions that she does put up on this podcast, there is a common theme running through it.
[00:16:00] Katische Haberfield: And the common theme so far has been the connection of leaders and leadership. So people stepping into the leadership. So we would say that Amma for you this is your time to step up as a leader and perhaps you might like to invite Katische into your communities because she has been doing this solo because of the location where she is.
[00:16:28] Katische Haberfield: And so our main message for you as the water-based beings and we'll step aside and allow the other beings to speak to you for more direct information for your, personal message here today is that Katische does need some guidance and community orientation so that she does not get caught out in fear because all solopreneurs do need communities.
[00:16:59] Katische Haberfield: And that is part of the the part that you spoke about, which is yes you continue to grow with your skills and your community and we'll grow with you and keep going because we are swirling around you because the energy is ready. This is the year for you to step up into your next level of leadership and to harness the energetic elements of both the elementals and the consciousness and sentience that interacts as an intermediary between the elements, the element elementals, and then human consciousness. Because sometimes people may be told that they it can interact with thunder or lightning or fire or various elements of the earth, but because they see it as a physical human being rather than a sp spiritual concept.
[00:18:09] Katische Haberfield: They still cannot get their subconscious mind past the knowledge that there is communication that needs to be communicated and for the advancement of humanity. We will allow her to open her eyes back and then that should stop the frenetic energy that she was experiencing. And we will now pass over to the angel.
[00:18:39] Katische Haberfield: Hello. Thank you. Now, that was quite interesting for Katische and we thank you for honoring and listening to her message. We would like to encourage you today, Amma, to continue on with not just your poetry and not just your prose in any way that you choose to publish it. But we would like to choose to show you that in the angelic realm, angelic realms, there are wings that are ready for you to claim.
[00:19:14] Katische Haberfield: Now. This is something that you may choose to do or to not do in this incarnation. There is no pressure. But Katische can link you with a practitioner who is able to verify this for you in a therapeutic context so that you don't feel strange about it. They're not butterfly wings, they're angelic wings for, there are many people on this planet incarnated who have angelic wings in the angelic realms who are ready for them to, how would we say, bring forth them into the daily actions to give flight, to, to give rise, to, to increase the feelings of what is the word here?
[00:20:03] Katische Haberfield: She said solitude, but it's not solitude, it's not certain tude. It's solidarity between those who are discovering that they have a soul print that is different from the kind of soul prints and soul blueprints that is active in discussion in spiritual circles today. We would say that, many discussion has been made upon, say, for example
[00:20:35] Katische Haberfield: recently with Star Seeds and a discussion, are you from Pleaidies or are you Arcturian or any of those kinds of discussions. But apart from anything else, those incarnations did bring certain skills and wisdoms and they were a form of a being. But there are also different types of souls and soul missions that are activated on earth that may not have been needed before.
[00:21:05] Katische Haberfield: Excuse me. She was got energy that needs to be moved, but she'll be fine. So what we would like you to consider is how you would use that energy, the angelic realm energy, to be then anchored into your human physicality so that you can give flight to this soul-based mission of yours.
[00:21:31] Katische Haberfield: And we would just simply like to remind you that this is a public session. And so we will not go into the details because with the specific soul mission that you have there is, at this stage we wouldn't call it copyright or trademarking, but there is a certain kind of a intellectual property that we would like to keep for you to discover and for you to decide how you would like to use it.
[00:22:01] Katische Haberfield: Because people listen to podcasts and they can say, oh, that's very similar to me. But there is a lot of development work in the journey ahead for you in this lifetime. And indeed that's if you choose it in this lifetime, but also in, in other should we say forward moving time, timelines.
[00:22:21] Katische Haberfield: And if we put it in human terms, the best thing is to say was there's work to do. And just like the first time a painter decides that they want to paint, there's a lot of and this is the wrong analogy, but it's the best one that we can come up with her understanding at the moment it is fine tuning, learning styles, investing in yourself, seeking education, and developing your own ways and methods that enables something to be perceived as particularly valuable by a potential person who would interact and perhaps buy a session with you or receive not counseling, that's the wrong word, but co not coaching, that's also a wrong word, guidance or whatever it is that you decide to package this in. And in the session that Katische had earlier today, she did talk about the value of advanced spiritual practitioners, making sure that their pricing reflected this.
[00:23:27] Katische Haberfield: And so that's why we would not go into it anymore in this session. And that's why when you connect with the Sprite based being, who will do that light language transmission that you'll find that there will be a certain degree of information that you'll be able to download instantly so that you can start working through it in your human way and deciding whether or not this is the way that you wish to go forward.
[00:23:54] Katische Haberfield: Because obviously there are two levels there. There is the level of there's this water based energy and this Sprite based energy that I can work with that is very excited to work with me. How does this fit into my plans that I currently, how does that fit into channeling? How does it fit into my existing programs and things that I do, the things that I plan for, and then with this angelic energy, so these wings that need to be activated that are already in the angelic realm for you to claim, what does that do to this?
[00:24:23] Katische Haberfield: Body of work here, where do I want to time it and how do they work together? And so Katische has been shown for herself a couple of occasions where she was allowed to use that angelic activity and that angelic frequency with some very difficult cases because her specialty that she was trained in, this lifetime was rescuing very complex we would call stuck energy ghost situations where she had to work at both the individual ghost level, the collective ghost level, where there were very large numbers of ghosts together, say 200 at a time where the energy had stuck together. And then energy, which was associated to certain regions, like war regions where she had made a soul base wish to clear a region of the war.
[00:25:22] Katische Haberfield: I just wanna say vibration. And in some of those cases, they, those ghosts come attached with, we would call it demonic energy because they have been around that war vibration. And so she was allowed to use those angel wings for example, on Anzac Day, because it was the 111th anniversary of the Anzac.
[00:25:47] Katische Haberfield: How might I say slaughter? Where 500,000 people died in Turkey. And so she was able to help with a collective how would we say it? Sorry. We're getting an interface of don't embarrass me, coming from her consciousness, which is to ensure that there were no more Anzacs left at Gallipoli.
[00:26:12] Katische Haberfield: Okay. So she was allowed to and she's getting emotional. She was allowed, sorry, she might get a bit too, she's gonna be fine. She was allowed to access those wings in order to clear the site of Gallipoli. And so you can see in her development journey, that does seem impossible for her because she's done it very quietly. And how does one human being lift 500,000 people who may have not left Gallipoli? And obviously there's a proportion who did leave and go to the light after they died in battle. But she did have to learn how to work with angels and to form what Lorna Byrne calls an army of unemployed angels to lift them collectively.
[00:27:16] Katische Haberfield: So she was allowed for a very short period of time to be able to access that energy in the angelic realm for a very specific mission, which she has actually been working on for six years. That is why the emotion came out because it has been a very difficult part of her journey and, most of the things that you do with your angel wings are not compensated for.
[00:27:47] Katische Haberfield: And obviously that's what people understand. An angel is here to help humanity, not to profit from humanity. And so some of the things, and you will have to work this out in a non-public forum. And with your own selection are things that you may wish to do, but some of them may be hard and confronting for you in your own way.
[00:28:09] Katische Haberfield: And even though she does not work publicly in the realm of spirit releasement therapy, she had to learn how to do that to fix and finish and help these soldiers in the last parts of their journey from both sides of, of the battle, which is why she incarnated into a family that was born in Australia, but her side of her family is German and Yugoslavian. So you can see she had to experience the energy of being a person who was born into a family that would've been considered the enemy if we wanted to talk about war. Okay? So she had to carry that shame in the DNA of her lineage ancestrally and being a migrant into a country where they were, would've fought each other in a different war.
[00:29:07] Katische Haberfield: But to access that, to be able to get the higher level and to be able to learn to see humanity as not belonging to any one race or country. So that the ego mind would not be involved in saying, oh, sorry, you're a soldier from this country. I come from here. I can't take you to the light. It seems really obvious to a spiritual person that you would not judge, but it comes with the ability to hear different things that you would not necessarily want to hear.
[00:29:41] Katische Haberfield: And so without going further into her journey, these are some of the considerations, and that's why we say to step up into the next stage of your journey. Part of the package, if so to speak, is to help people at a earlier stage of the journey as you to overcome the bits that they are still frightened about.
[00:30:04] Katische Haberfield: For example, as we just said the water transmission there for Katische to help her with that. But then also to see that some of the people who are less experienced than you in the areas of channeling may have different kinds of experience. And it's like that. Humans do tend to like to put each other on scales, but there is no such thing as scales.
[00:30:26] Katische Haberfield: But it's to encourage everybody to step into their leadership and understand and be appreciated for the courage that they have had. Because most spiritual people have had to do work behind the scenes that nobody can see in the private time that is not rewarded, not compensated. You can't put it on a resume.
[00:30:50] Katische Haberfield: You can't necessarily attract clients for it, and some of it may make you want to walk away and get a checkout register job to bring the cash in, so to speak. And so it's about mutual encouragement and development of communities that says, I see you are going through some things behind the scenes. I just will be here if you wish to reach out and
[00:31:20] Katische Haberfield: let me see. And know that you are still, you're still sane there's nothing wrong with you. You're just using a skill that you know is not really talked about until the time is right to talk about it. Because as we know, the people that are working the spiritual community do, think some miraculous things are real and they are real, but put them on YouTube or in general conversation or write it in a book, and you have all your fears come up to light because of what we call the comments section or the naysayers or the people that don't even exist.
[00:31:57] Katische Haberfield: Don't even believe that any of these energies exist in the first place. So we would say that the next step of your journey, Amma is to step into that space of being conscious of people who are around you. And we're not saying that you're not already doing this but to gather your clan be the mother head and where you need to be, also the chicken where you need to be so that people have somebody that is closer to them rather than say the big giants in the world of channeling who you know, you can not access or speak to one-on-one. They're just like the giants in the industry. With due respect, we do believe that there were some parts there that was slightly confronting for her. So we will conserve her energy now and we hope that you have received enough information out of this channeling. And we thank you and we commend you for coming on today and allowing that energy exchange. And we hope that you do enjoy the energy that Katische has now seen them again, and they will quieten down. And she said they will sit in your lap indeed if you like, or sit with you by the water's edge.
[00:33:16] Katische Haberfield: And they are very playful and joyful energy. It's just about how, in their words, how you would like to paint. 'cause they use painting terms in creation. Paint a creation with them.
[00:33:30] Amma Ventelä: I am painting them.
[00:33:32] Katische Haberfield: oh,
[00:33:33] Amma Ventelä: That's.
[00:33:37] Katische Haberfield: there you go. There you go. Wow. All right. We will bid you adieu for now and we will let her come back in. Okay. Thank you.
[00:33:51] Amma Ventelä: you.
[00:33:52] Katische Haberfield: That was, intense, but good.
[00:33:54] Amma Ventelä: Thank
[00:33:54] Katische Haberfield: ha
[00:33:55] Amma Ventelä: was amazing. Yes, it was very con. It was very concrete and very true. Have to say.
[00:34:03] Katische Haberfield: Okay, beautiful. Thank you for allowing that to facilitate 'cause that wasn't something that I was aware that I still needed. And, I'll go and settle my own energy now down now. And
[00:34:21] Amma Ventelä: keep in touch. Yeah. I'm all about water. I have to say, that has been my profession, like for 30 years before becoming a channel. So I'm aquatic ecologist in my profession. It's all about water, and I'm painting these water codes right now. All morning I have been working with this cosmic water codes. So it was, amazing that these water beings came through..
[00:34:48] Katische Haberfield: Yeah. Yeah. And I can feel in my head now that there was others there that wanted to come in that were of a more cosmic nature, but I just didn't have the bandwidth today
[00:35:01] Amma Ventelä: very
[00:35:01] Katische Haberfield: do that.
[00:35:02] Amma Ventelä: Yeah, they are very difficult if in your, your physical body they may empty your stomach or when
[00:35:09] Amma Ventelä: they come through.
[00:35:10] Katische Haberfield: yeah,
[00:35:11] Amma Ventelä: but they are also quite difficult for me. I have to really build physical strength to receive the, these cosmic delegations, but they are not coming daily based, but sometimes with big messages.
[00:35:27] Katische Haberfield: Yeah. Okay. Yeah, because I, get it. It's it hurts for me right now. It hurts. It's a i, feel it like a a pain in my temple here. That's
[00:35:40] Amma Ventelä: Yeah we can simply let, we can ask that. Thank you. That exactly right. Energies are now healing Katische from all this quite exhausting channeling process. So thank you, And it's all coming to you.
[00:35:59] Katische Haberfield: thank you. Thanks. Okay. Thank you so much for being a part of the podcast today, and I hope that both you and the listeners found that interesting.
[00:36:11] Amma Ventelä: Thank you. It was amazing to be here.
[00:36:14] Katische Haberfield: Thank you. Thanks for your time today. I.
[00:36:17] Amma Ventelä: Thank you.
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